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Which patriot of which country:

i: was eulogized by Harry
GEORGE WASHINGTON was eulogised by General Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee at his funeral on December 26, 1799 (SBP, via google)
ii: died at the hand of one who had started life as Ramachandra?
In 1948, GANDHI was assassinated by Nathuram Godse, born Ramachandra (KS and DDD, confirmed by google)
iii: was declared innocent following a retrial 25 years after execution?
JOAN OF ARC was burnt at the stake in Rouen's Old Market on May 30, 1431; 25 years after her execution, Pope Callistus III set a Trial of Rehabilitation, and she was exonerated by the Church (KP, confirmed SBP via google)
iv: wrote about the execution of Gerhard and was murdered by the Gestapo?
v: anticipated Latimer and Ridley by 140 years and uttered in Latin "Holy Simplicity"?
JAN HUS, the Bohemian religious reformer, was burnt to a steak in 1415 (AT via google)
vi: founded a journal in London, which would have been translated as Thought and Action?
GIUSEPPE MAZZINI, unifier of Italy, founded Pensiero e azione in London in 1858 (SBP, via google)
vii: the son of a general and senator, shot the Governor General and then himself?
EUGEN SCHAUMAN, FINNISH nationalist, assassinated Governor-General Nikolai Ivanovich Bobrikov, despite his medals (SBP, via google)
viii: was hanged publicly 28 months after the start of the January Uprising?
STANISLAW BRZOSKA was the last partisan of the 1863 January (Poland versus Russia), publicly hanged in April 1865 (SBP via google)
ix: was defrocked and later executed following betrayal by Elizondo?
MIGUEL HIDALGO, one of the leaders of the MEXICAN war of independence, was betrayed by Ignacio Elizondo, and executed (SBP, via google)
x: was reburied 31 years after his secret execution?
The Hungarian Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the People's Republic IMRE NAGY was hanged in secret in 1958, following the Soviet invasion after the failed Hungarian Revolution, but rehabilitated and reburied in 1989 (SBP, via google)

Date: 2012-01-12 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Was the January Uprising one of the many many many Russian ones?

Date: 2012-01-14 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
This one was Polish/Lithuanian. But against the Russians.

I think the patriot in question was Stanisław Brzóska:

"Stanisław Brzóska (30 December 1832, Dokudów Pierwszy - 23 May 1865, Sokołów Podlaski) was a Polish priest, general, supreme leader of the Polish insurgency and the last partisan of the January Uprising. ... He was captured eventually in April 1865, sentenced to death by the Russians and hanged publicly" (wikipedia)

January 1863 to April 1865 is 28 months.

Date: 2012-01-14 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Uprising

"It began January 22, 1863, and lasted until the last insurgents were captured in 1865."

Date: 2012-01-12 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
Latimer and Ridley were two of the Oxford martyrs, burnt at the stake by Mary in the (late) mid 16th century -- guessing 1570sish? -- so this is someone burned at the stake in the 1430sish <-- so does this fit Joan of Arc? She is very evidently a patriot?

(The teams or "houses" at my primary school were named for protestant martyrs: Latimer, Cranmer, Ridley and Hooper -- they were actually never once discussed or propagandised about, but WTF!!!)

Date: 2012-01-12 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
on the nose for joan = burnt as a catholic martyr in 1431!
but the oxford martyrs are 1555-56, which is not 140 years distant

and i think an earlier protestant martyr burnt in england would make more sense: 1415 (year of agincourt)

Date: 2012-01-12 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerrypolka.livejournal.com
I think Joan is iii, though!

Date: 2012-01-14 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
"Joan was found guilty and was burnt at the stake in Rouen's Old Market on May 30, 1431.

Twenty five years after her trial and execution, Pope Callistus III set a formal retrial (known as a Trial of Rehabilitation). The result was that Joan's 1431 trial was declared irregular - that is, Joan was exonerated by the Church."

says http://ezinearticles.com/?Joan-of-Arc---French-Patriot-and-Martyr&id=4275249

Date: 2012-01-12 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alextiefling.livejournal.com
v is Jan Hus, the Czech (or Bohemian) religious reformer, who was done for heresy at the Council of Constance, after the organisers had promised him he'd be safe. (The main purpose of the Council was to deal with a superfluity of antipopes; burning Bohemian academics was a sideline.)

Date: 2012-01-12 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
a surfeit of antipopes <-- would read this novel or popular history

Date: 2012-01-12 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alextiefling.livejournal.com
Sadly, Wikipedia's material on the so-called 'Three Popes Controversy' is dismal, and my favourite history book on the subject pays far more attention to what the Holy Roman Empire was doing at Constance than either the multipopes or Jan Hus.

A task for the future!

Date: 2012-01-13 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
To update the wikipage you mean? :-)

Date: 2012-01-16 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alextiefling.livejournal.com
To write a popular history of it! I didn't use the wiki until you suggested that there should be one; I was working from my recollections of various history tomes.

Date: 2012-01-12 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
ii. Isn't Ramachandra just the Hindu dude (i.e. Rama out of Rama and Sita)?

Date: 2012-01-12 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
<--- uses of having an RE teacher for a mum there

Date: 2012-01-12 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
think (ii) is probably gandhi, who was assassinated by a militant hindu iirc

Date: 2012-01-12 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
I thought so too and LO:

"Fearing a curse that targeted male children, young Ramachandra was brought up as a girl for the first few years of his life, including having his nose pierced and being made to wear a nose-ring ("Nath" in Marathi). It was then that he earned the nickname "Nathuram" (literally "Ram with a nose-ring"). After his younger brother was born, they switched to treating him as a boy."

Date: 2012-01-12 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
I wondered if x. was Che Guevara but Wiki sez he was executed in 1967 and re-interred in 1997, 30 years and 8 days after the day he died.

Date: 2012-01-14 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
This is IMRE NAGY, patriot of HUNGARY

"Nagy's second term [as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the People's Republic of Hungary ] ended when his non-Soviet-backed government was brought down by Soviet invasion in the failed Hungarian Revolution of 1956, resulting in Nagy's execution on charges of treason two years later."

"the Soviets returned him to Hungary, where he was secretly charged with organizing to overthrow the Hungarian people's democratic state and with treason. Nagy was secretly tried, found guilty, sentenced to death and executed by hanging in June 1958"

"In 1989, Imre Nagy was rehabilitated and his remains reburied on the 31st anniversary of his execution in the same plot after a funeral organized in part by opponents of the country's communist regime. Over 100,000 people are estimated to have attended Nagy's reinterment. The occasion of Nagy's funeral was an important factor in the end of the Communist government in Hungary."

Wikipedia again.

Date: 2012-01-14 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
vi: I'd say Charles Baudouin, but Action et Pensée seems to be published in Geneva.

But it was actually GIUSEPPE MAZZINI:

"In 1858 he founded another journal in London, Pensiero e azione ("Thought and Action")." says wikip.

Date: 2012-01-14 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
Patriot of Italy and involved in unification of Italy.

Date: 2012-01-14 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
ix is the "Father of Mexico", MIGUEL HIDALGO, one of the leaders of the MEXICAN war of independence.

Ignacio Elizondo was a New Leonese royalist general, "instrumental in the capture of Father Hidalgo, General Allende, and other rebel leaders at the Wells of Bajan (Norias de Bajan) in February 1811" - wikipedia

Edited Date: 2012-01-14 02:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-14 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
vii: is EUGEN SCHAUMAN, FINNISH nationalist who assassinated the Governor-General Nikolai Ivanovich Bobrikov.

"Eugen Schauman was born to Swedish-speaking Finnish parents Waldemar, a general-lieutenant in the Russian army, a Privy Councillor and senator in the Finnish Government"

"When Bobrikov came to the Senate house on 16 June Schauman shot him three times and then himself twice in the chest, with specially handloaded explosive bullets.

Two of the bullets that hit Bobrikov ricocheted off his decoration but the third bounced back from his buckle and caused severe damage to his stomach. Bobrikov died the same night in the Helsinki surgical hospital."

(wikipedia)

So the moral is, always wear your medals.

Date: 2012-01-14 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
i) is GEORGE WASHINGTON, patriot of you know where. General Henry Lee delivered a eulogy at his funeral.

"George Washington Eulogy by Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee

George Washington.—On December 26, 1799,
General Lee delivered the following funeral oration on Washington before the two Houses of Congress"

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/patriots/henry-light-horse-harry-lee.htm

Date: 2012-01-14 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com
iv: is harder...

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