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Who or what?
i: is Hazel's cousin?
ii: was crowned in Dublin Cathedral?
iii: eponymous water bird has long been bedded down?
iv: gained the GC for heroism on the Ely-Newmarket line?
v: died in legal captivity of coronary thrombosis on 16 November, 1952?
vi: wrote a risqué novel, which saw him tried but acquitted for irreligion and immorality?
vii: carried on with George, regardless of Caroline, and later Frances?
viii: put his name to a Top Secret Management Handbook?
ix: tragically completed his fourth, but not his eighth?
x: created William and Maudie?

Date: 2011-01-07 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
iii) what birds' feathers are used in bedding? Goose, eider...any others?

ix) sounds like it might refer to symphonies.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
...Schubert? I know his last was famously unfinished, don't know what number it was though.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
my instinct is, if symphony, not schubert -- whose "unfinished" is a bit TOO well known!

Date: 2011-01-07 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Reading up on the relevant Schubert symphonies seems to indicate that for once "too easy" wasn't an issue!

Date: 2011-01-07 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
iii: it's eider, isn't it -- eider down = eiderdown, hence eponymous

Date: 2011-01-07 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anatol-merklich.livejournal.com
"Eponymous" made me think of Steller's Eider -- I had the misconception that this was an extinct species like Steller's Seacow, and hence "bedded down", but it seems to be still quite alive.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com
iii) is presumably eider, because it is eponymous in the sense that the bedding is named after the bird.

vague guesses

Date: 2011-01-07 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
might viii. be Sun Tsu's Art of War?

also vii. would be George IV related i'd guess (he was married to Caroline of Brunswick innit (and yes, i only know this because of blackadder))

Date: 2011-01-07 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
iv) Did someone prevent a train crash from happening?

Date: 2011-01-07 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
hmmm, looking at googlemaps (not googling!) the only place between ely and newmarket is soham...

Date: 2011-01-07 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
the XY line may mean the line from London that goes to both X and Y -- as opposed to X and Z?

Date: 2011-01-07 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
hmmm, yes. thing is, they're not (currently) on the same line, it splits just outside cambridge...

Date: 2011-01-07 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
what a lot of hmmming...

of course it could be Newmarket the card game?

Date: 2011-01-07 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
ii) it appears that Dublin has TWO cathedrals, so perhaps this refers to neither?

Because he's worth it

Date: 2011-01-07 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Not the answer but some awesome Googling has revealed the existence of a dude called King Sigtrygg Silkenbeard. If that isn't the best Hiberno-Norse name ever I don't know what is.

Date: 2011-01-07 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
It has three, if you count the sorta-cathedral catholic version. But I don't think anyone's been crowned in that one.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com
v) - searching Wikipedia for people who died on 16 November, 1952, the most likely candidate is Charles Maurras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurras#Vichy_regime.2C_arrest_and_death), a Vichy collaborator. The entry says that he was released into hospital in March 1952 due to ill health, but presumably he was still in legal captivity in the sense that if he got better, he would not have been free to go.

Neither Wikipedia nor any of the sources compiled at Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-maurras) actually gives his cause of death.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
hmmm but if it's maurras, what's the link to eiderdown?

also: rule is, google away, but don't spill any answers you find till after we put up the next one -- to give people who might know w/o googling a chance! hinting is ok though, if it looks like we're all flailing

Date: 2011-01-07 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com
Ooops, sorry.

Date: 2011-01-07 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com
Maybe the theme is beds - Madame Bovary took to her bed, Maurras was confined to a hospital bed, eiderdown is used in bedding?

Date: 2011-01-07 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com
vi: Flaubert was apparently tried and acquitted of irreligion and immorality for writing Madame Bovary. I'm sure he is not the only one ever to be tried and acquitted of that charge for writing a novel. I'm sure there is more than one right answer to some of these questions.

some hazels i know

Date: 2011-01-07 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] piratemoggy

hazel blears



also i was at primary school with a hazel pugh: her sisters were twins, hilary and heather

Re: some hazels i know

Date: 2011-01-07 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuchmoreexotic.livejournal.com
Maybe it's a trick question and it refers to a poem which talks about "the Oak being cousin to the Hazel" or something.

Re: some hazels i know

Date: 2011-01-12 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
This was on the right lines! See below.

Date: 2011-01-07 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
Oops got x via another forum's answers -- i googled bcz it rang a bell, he saidly weakly... I do actually own books by ths person, but not relevant ones...

Hasn't helped me with the theme, tho it seems to rule out the "bed" theory

Date: 2011-01-07 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
ah! got the theme! based on vi, ix and x

iii and v: we seem currently to be wrong about, if theme is correct

Date: 2011-01-07 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
is it -berts, then (from Schubert and Flaubert)?

Date: 2011-01-07 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
ah yes - and so ii. must be Lambert Simnel innit

Google confirmation on ii.

Date: 2011-01-07 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
(from infobritain.co.uk - heh love the last sentence!)

The two biggest threats to Henry VII came in the form of the two imposters named Lambert Simnel and Perkin Warbeck. These two con artists both exploited the mysterious fate of the sons of Edward IV, the princes in the Tower. They masqueraded as the younger prince, Richard Duke of York, and claimed Richard's inheritance as a legitimate king of England. Lambert Simnel was the focus of the first conspiracy, which took place between 1486 to 1487. It seems that the powerful noble John de la Pole, Earl of Lincoln, found an eleven year old boy who he could pass off as the Duke of York.

Lincoln probably planned to seize the throne for himself under the cover of apparently promoting the cause of the "Duke of York". Then bizarrely Simnel decided he would rather play the role of the young Earl of Warwick, who was being kept in the Tower. Even though the real Earl of Warwick was paraded through the streets of London it still suited some people to believe in the fantasy of the young pretender Simnel. Simnel was crowned "Edward VI" in Dublin Cathedral on May 24th 1487.

With Simnel in tow, the Earl of Lincoln crossed to England from Ireland with a rebel army. This force was massacred by the royal army at the Battle of Stoke on 16th June 1487. In contrast to Simnel, Henry had won his battle for the throne, but recalling that he was outnumbered two to one at Bosworth, he could easily have suffered the same fate as Simnel. It is remarkable how the story of Simnel parallels Henry VII's own. Simnel and Henry Tudor were supported as pretenders to the throne by people who used them as convenient tools. Just as it suited John de la Pole to support Simnel's invasion, it had suited the Lancastrians, and Charles VIII of France, to support Henry's invasion in 1485. Henry VII was a "real" king, but he was also Lambert Simnel writ large, as indeed are all kings.

Date: 2011-01-07 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Maybe there is a specific species or breed of eider/goose/duck/whatever that is used for featherdown, and whose name ends in -bert?

Date: 2011-01-07 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
this is also my guess but "research" so far has not been encouraging

Date: 2011-01-07 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Mine has! Wikipedia with the answers.

Date: 2011-01-07 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Yup, found it too. Very obscure!

Date: 2011-01-07 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
Hah! yes -- weirdly enough I have a book abt him, but in reference to a bear!

Date: 2011-01-07 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
It would be so awesome if iv) was CAMEMBERT. Heroic cheese gives up its life to stop train and saves thousands!

Date: 2011-01-07 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Unless it is something to do with this instead:

Date: 2011-01-07 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
from the planet gong-guh gong-guh gong-guh

Famous -berts

Date: 2011-01-07 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Dil (and Dog and Cat)
Gil
Ram
Hum Hum
Engel
Ernie and
??

Re: Famous -berts

Date: 2011-01-07 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Dog or Cat (isn't one of them a bit evil? I can't tell them apart) = vii?

Catbert / Google clue on v.

Date: 2011-01-07 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Catbert is the Evil Director of Human Resources. As you say, he looks v. similar to Dogbert (who's also acting a bit evil at the moment as CEO of Dilbert's company).

Some in-depth googling reveals that one of the -berts in my list above is in fact the answer to v.

answer on v.

Date: 2011-01-10 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Finishing this one off, Humbert Humbert is reported to have died of a heart attack on 16.11.52 at the end of Lolita (sez Google)

Dogbert confirmed

Date: 2011-01-07 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
You meant viii rather than vii, right?
Top Secret

Date: 2011-01-09 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
x is osbert lancaster -- w and m were the characters in his little "political" cartoons in iirc the telegraph, ordinary upper-posh buffers responding modern life

LJ nesting rules changed?

Date: 2011-01-10 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
We're not at 50 posts yet - is there a new thread-length rule instead of a post-count rule?

On the + side, you can now easily expand automatically nested posts, it seems :)

Brainwave!

Date: 2011-01-12 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Fil-, as in Filbert Street (possibly)

Google sez is a type of Hazel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filbert

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