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In the finals of the AELT & CC's championships:
i: which runner-up won 29 games?
ii: which match was decided after 12 games?
iii: who required 40 games for his three-set victory?
iv: which two-set match was decided after 46 games?
v: which champion is now remembered for his predatory reptile motif?
vi: in which match did the runner-up win as many games and sets as the victor?
vii: which titled finalist was imprisoned by the Gestapo?
viii: what was the role of Brooke's grandfather?
ix: who was the only victor to lose a set 0-6?
x: who defeated his brother three times?

Date: 2010-01-11 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
AELT & CC = All England Lawn Tennis & Croquet Club?

(in which case, I can solve only the title and none of the questions)

Date: 2010-01-11 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
Lex thine hour is come!

Date: 2010-01-11 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
there'd better be some croquet-based questions!

Date: 2010-01-11 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Ooo ooo ooo! Tennis!

iv) must be wimmin's tennis or mixed doubles
v) hahaha someone wearing Lacoste!
viii) Brooke = Brooke Shields = Andre Agassi's missus?

Argh I have to go and do work but I shall return at lunchtime...

Date: 2010-01-11 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
v) or er Lacoste himself!

Date: 2010-01-11 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boyofbadgers.livejournal.com
v. Lacoste?

HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I know v), vii) and x) off the top of my head.

The scoreline ones I'll have to have a bit of a ponder.

viii) Kat may be on to something w/the Shields connexion and indeed some anecdote involving her grandfather is on the tip of my brain...

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I know iv) as well. Very famous old-skool match.

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Also wouldn't all of these be really piss-easy to find online?

Date: 2010-01-11 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
STOP CHEATING AND START KNOWING

Date: 2010-01-11 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I haven't started googling yet! Unless using a calculator to do addition is cheating.

Date: 2010-01-11 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
well it's not cheating in the context of this quiz but STILL CHEATING YES

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Got i) - very recent match.

iii) is some pre-tiebreak era match that I don't know.

ii) must be a mid-match retirement - there have certainly been none in singles in the past 20 years (which is about as much as I know offhand), and indeed I don't recall much talk of any historical retirement in a singles final - this was a subject that commentators did spend time on in 2006 thanks to Henin's AO retirement, and the only other one that I remember coming up was Edberg retiring at the 1990 AO. So maybe it's doubles or juniors? I'd be surprised if all the answers were to do with singles.

vi) prob a retirement as well?

ix) I'm actually very, very surprised that only one victor (across doubles and juniors too?! surely not!) has been bagelled in the final in 100+ years. If it's singles it's an old match from the '80s or before...in the past 20 years I can only think of three Slam finals where the winner was bagelled.*

*Graf d. Seles 7-6 0-6 6-3, 1995 USO; Sánchez-Vicario d. Seles 7-6 0-6 6-2, 1998 RG; Gaudio d. Coria 0-3 3-6 6-4 6-1 8-6, 2004 RG - such a fucking massive, horrible choke from Coria there.

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
agh that last one is meant to read 0-6 3-6 6-4 6-1 8-6. I type like Coria played in the last half of that match.

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oh shit, ii) might not be a retirement - it could be a double bagel on the women's side, and probably was - I know Suzanne Lenglen was famed for just not losing any games, ever, so maybe her?

Re: ii. and ix.

Date: 2010-01-11 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Just googled these - both from finals in the first half of C.20th. I've never heard of any one of the four finalists. Boring.

Re: ii. and ix.

Date: 2010-01-11 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I'd heard of both winners and the finalist of ii), but I do wish the questions hadn't stuck to singles.

My own favourite tennis trivia question until 2004 was: who is the only woman to have beaten Venus Williams at Wimbledon who has never won the tournament herself? (A: Magdalena Grzybowska of Poland, in the 1997 first round in Venus's debut match.) I remember putting it in the bumper quiz w/amazing prizes in the university newspaper, and it was the only question that NO ONE in the entire university body managed to get. Then Venus went and lost to Karolina Sprem in '04 and Jelena Jankovic in '06 and made it useless.

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oh is iii) referring to the total number of games played, or the number of games won by the victor? I assumed the latter but it would be quite improbably epic. It's def pre-TB era though as the max number of games played in three sets nowadays is 39.

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anatol-merklich.livejournal.com
i) Didn't last year's runner up, ie Roddick, win more games than anyone has ever done in the men's finals (including Fed in the same match)?

Re: HUZZAH

Date: 2010-01-11 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I believe he did! But 29 isn't the record...

viii)

Date: 2010-01-11 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Maybe Brooke's grandfather was the one who finally BURNED THE HAIRPIECE?

Date: 2010-01-11 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
ii) iii) vi) viii) ix) <= have found online. I know which answer they want for vi) but there are technically TWO answers, and the other one is connected to one of the other questions by, I assume, sheer coincidence.

Mmm tennis <3

Date: 2010-01-11 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
ha i was waiting for this one for lex to show off :)

is x. bunny austin? i'm sure there were brothers in the early british pre-open days...

ii. seems to be the most likely croquet question i reckon?

Date: 2010-01-11 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
I wonder if there are any questions about ball boys/girls?

Date: 2010-01-12 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
No one will be answering these then? OK

i) Roger Federer, 2008 - he lost 4-6 4-6 7-6 7-6 7-9 to Rafael Nadal
ii) This was a double bagel, but it wasn't Lenglen - Dorothea Douglass Lambert Chambers d. Dora Boothby 6-0 6-0, 1911
iii) Joshua Pim d. Wilfred Baddeley 10-8 6-2 8-6, 1894. Shrug.
iv) Margaret Court d. Billie Jean King 14-12 11-9, 1970. They ALWAYS show this in rain breaks, if asked to think of any pre-1980 match it is the first one that comes to mind.
v) René Lacoste. Ridiculously easy by this quiz's standards, surely? Who on earth would not know this?
vi) The answer they want is Anthony Wilding d. Herbert Barrett 6-4 4-6 2-6 6-2 ret., 1911.
vii) Baron Gottfried von Cramm - imprisoned for homosexuality before WWII, released in 1938 after his fellow players sent a letter of protest to the German government. Actually fought in the war IIRC.
viii) Haha this actually has nothing to do with Agassi! Brooke Shields' grandfather was Frank Shields - a tennis player himself and the 1931 finalist. The answer is probably that he played NO role in the Wimbledon final, as he gave a walkover prior to the match to Sidney Wood. In which case this match is also a valid answer for vi), as the champion Wood won the same number of games and sets as the finalist Shields, ie none.
ix) Bob Falkenburg d. John Bromwich 7-5 0-6 6-2 3-6 7-5, 1948.
x) William Renshaw (early 19th century champion).

Think the quiz actually missed something of a trick with this round by focusing on scorelines (which even tennis fanatics might not remember precisely) and ignoring doubles/juniors.

Date: 2010-01-12 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
cheers lex! i consider these definitive!

i will start putting up completed and semi completed answer-so-far lists when i'm a bit less busy, prob not before tomorrow

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