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Q15: Who:
i: was morally pure in EC2?
ii: shot Buffalo Bill at Belvedere, Ohio?
iii: went to the wrong church for her wedding?
iv: believed, erroneously, that Byron murdered Ezra Chater?
v: killed Lord Frederick in a duel, following his return from Belgium?
vi: possessed nothing but the contents of his wallet, the clothes he stood up in, the hare-lip, the automatic he should have left behind?
vii: was as little interested in love as in the habits of Trematodes?
viii: wore white for her immolation on October 27?
ix: advocated unlimited slaughter of bluejays?
x: posed as Doctor Copernicus?

the rules as they have evolved:
a: nice full answers and anecdotes if poss
b: say if googled or no; leave time for non-googlers to play
c: obviously look ahead at future questions if you want
d: don't bring in confirming or dissenting answers from other fora until next set is up and running

(hadn't time for ketchup at weekend but there's only two more Qs after this -- so await grand ketchup v.soon)

spoilers no bells rung, unless vii is sherlock holmes

Date: 2009-01-19 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
is ix Atticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird? ISTR he told his kids they could shoot as many B's as they liked, "but it's a sin TKAM"

Date: 2009-01-19 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
That sounds right to me.

Date: 2009-01-19 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
But it squishes my (v fledgling) idea of DETH AND MURDER as theme.

Date: 2009-01-19 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
I know vi. - that is Raven, the goth assassin, from A Gun For Sale, by Graham Greene. (I was re-reading that book a few months ago.) As G. Greene goes it's fairly cheerful.

ii and v are both also abt KILLINGS. Theme - DETH AND MURDER?

Date: 2009-01-19 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
very likely (so scratch my feeble spoilerguess)

Date: 2009-01-19 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
Surely theme is going to be BIRDS - Jeff has 'Finch', Marna has 'Raven'.

yes!

Date: 2009-01-19 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
and ii is of course clarice starling in silence of the lambs: buffalo bill is jame gumb -- shd have got that straight away, since i can quote large chunks of that book verbatim

("half an arch won't stand, clarice")

Re: yes!

Date: 2009-01-19 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
ok - you got it faster than I did, and I used a google.

Date: 2009-01-19 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
Google has told me that no. ii) is indeed another bird, but I will keep quiet if non-googlers want to have a go.

Date: 2009-01-19 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
they are possible all fictional characters, also?

Date: 2009-01-19 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
v. is ringing bells (tho' possibly cos we had an all-duels Qn last year)

Poss. from Vanity Fair?

v

Date: 2009-01-19 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
It's from Nicholas Nickleby. The duel follows a big carnival thing where Sir Mulberry Hawk loses some cash or something to Lord F, and then has to conveniently sod off once Lord F has snuffed it leaving Kate Nickleby free from SCANDAL.

Date: 2009-01-19 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jauntyalan.livejournal.com
iv is from Arcadia. and there is a joke in the play about the guys name, he pretends to be another bird. i think it's Bernard Nightingale

Date: 2009-01-19 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jauntyalan.livejournal.com
where is SALLY SPARROW :-D

Date: 2009-01-19 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Ooh, is iii Fanny Robin, from Far From The Madding Crowd? V typical Hardy womang - abused by men when alive, and worshipped once dead.

bird remains

Date: 2009-01-19 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jauntyalan.livejournal.com
ii: shot Buffalo Bill at Belvedere, Ohio? CLARICE STARLING
iii: went to the wrong church for her wedding? FANNY ROBIN
iv: believed, erroneously, that Byron murdered Ezra Chater? BERNARD NIGHTINGALE
v: killed Lord Frederick in a duel, following his return from Belgium? MULBERRY HAWK
vi: possessed nothing but the contents of his wallet, the clothes he stood up in, the hare-lip, the automatic he should have left behind? somebody RAVEN
ix: advocated unlimited slaughter of bluejays? ATTICUS FINCH

leaving

i: was morally pure in EC2?
vii: was as little interested in love as in the habits of Trematodes?
viii: wore white for her immolation on October 27?
x: posed as Doctor Copernicus?

EC2

Date: 2009-01-19 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
EC2 is mainly the City of London and comprises:

Broadgate/Liverpool Street, Spitalfields, Cheapside/Gresham Street/Mansion House, Threadneedle Street (Bank), Bishopsgate, Barbican/Chiswell Street/Bunhill Row, Moorgate/Finsbury Circus and Shoreditch (or at least parts thereof - the rest is in E1 I think).

Does that give any clues?

"The Pure Woman of [something] Street"???

Re: EC2

Date: 2009-01-19 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Oh! I was doing exactly the same thing.

Pure:

# Free from evil and corruption: angelic, angelical, clean, innocent, lily-white, sinless, unblemished, uncorrupted, undefiled, unstained, unsullied, untainted, virginal.

# Morally beyond reproach, especially in sexual conduct: chaste, decent, modest, nice, virgin, virginal, virtuous.

Re: EC2 clues (post-googling)

Date: 2009-01-19 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
via google, I was more or less right about the construction, viz it's "A [word meaning pure] [word meaning female] in [street in EC2]"

word meaning pure = one of Marna's above
Street in EC2 = one of the ones I mentioned above

final clue: the literary work is from the early 17th century

Re: EC2 clues (post-googling)

Date: 2009-01-19 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
final final clue: the title is slightly alliterative

Re: EC2

Date: 2009-01-19 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
^^some of this is EC1, sorry - should know better since I lived there for a year when a student

EC2

Date: 2009-01-19 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Monument, Aldgate, Fenchurch Street, and Tower Hill. It roughly covers the south eastern corner of the City. A small part is in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets, most notably the Tower of London. The district contains Cornhill, Eastcheap, Fenchurch Street, Gracechurch Street, Leadenhall Street, Lombard Street, Mincing Lane and Pudding Lane. It is the location of Fenchurch Street railway station, Lloyd's of London and London Metropolitan University.

(says Wikipedia)

Re: EC2

Date: 2009-01-19 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
old lady of threadneedle street? (or whatever she was called)

Re: EC2

Date: 2009-01-19 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Mad, I think, not pure;
http://www.historic-uk.com/cultureuk/BankofEngland.htm

Do we think that today's all fictional, also? They all are so far.

Date: 2009-01-19 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
immolation means death by fire -- presumably this is not joan of arc, whose surname is "d'arc" which is not a kind of bird

maybe we need a list of possible birds: owl, jay, thrush, magpie, eagle, crow, wren, gull, puffin, lark

google clue?

Date: 2009-01-19 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
googling "burned at stake 27 October" reveals the name of a woman burned for being a witch at Smithfield on 27 October 1441. The name in question doesn't suggest a bird to me, but others w/ greater ken of ornithology than me may disagree

Re: google clue?

Date: 2009-01-19 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
according to interwebs this lady appears in Shakespeare, although spelt slightly differently(Henry VI:2). But I can't see a bird connection either!

Date: 2009-01-19 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
a: fiction rather than historical fact?
b: need not be burned at a stake?

it doesn't seem to be anyone in manderlay ablaze in du maurier's rebecca (narrator = unnamed or "the second mrs de winter; mrs danvers = not bird-related)

Date: 2009-01-19 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
The narrator def. does not die in the fire, and I am not sure that Mrs Danvers does either.

Date: 2009-01-19 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
yes i tht the first mrs de winter did* but in fact she drowned -- i thini mrs d dies in the flames in the film

*wd require manderlay to burn to ground regularly!

anyway houses burning down is also a possible fictional context

Date: 2009-01-19 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I stumbled across this while googling aimlessly - the answer combines your method of burning and Jeff's! Have never heard of the work of fiction that the character is taken from though.

Date: 2009-01-19 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Perhaps it is someone being CREMATED?

Date: 2009-01-19 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Or what about Ayesha in SHE who bathes in a pillar of fire to become immortal? She wore white a lot, ISTR, although I have no idea what her surname is (if any).

Date: 2009-01-19 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
= ms. who-must-be-obeyed

Date: 2009-01-19 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
Around the World in 80 Days has someone rescued form immolation, doesn't it? The cartoon version did, I remember!

Date: 2009-01-19 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
that might make sense of the precise date since according to wiki P Fogg leaves on the 2nd October. Can't work out which day the rescue is or how the name Aouda would fit!

Date: 2009-01-19 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
http://library.thinkquest.org/J002459F/countrie.htm

This says Calcutta on the 25th, so it could be. What does Aouda mean? I need to get lunch and stuff now, though.

Date: 2009-01-19 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
it's not a common-or-garden bird afaik

Date: 2009-01-19 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
surely she is a cat not a bird?

Jenny Wren.

Date: 2009-01-19 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
Alex thinks - surely there is a Jenny Wren in fiction, and google tells me that there is one in Dickens' Our Mutual Friend. I'm guessing this will turn out to be the answer to i.)

Re: Jenny Wren.

Date: 2009-01-19 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
although googling other people answering the quiz say there is a more complex - and correct-looking - answer!

vii

Date: 2009-01-19 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Trematodes = intestinal worms! Who is interested in their habits?

This isn't x but arf anyway

Date: 2009-01-19 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
‘Niles, I’ve got news for you. Copernicus called and you’re not the centre of the universe.’ - Frasier Crane

Tomorrow's Qn

Date: 2009-01-19 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
oops I have accidentally spoilered myself on the theme for tomorrow, so I shall keep my head down for most of the day. All I will say is I'll be surprised if anyone gets it quickly.

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