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i: for whom did Zaretski act as second?
ii: which contestants were slain with the same envenomed point?
iii: who died in the Brecknock Arms following a duel with his brother in law?
iv: who was challenged to a duel by a Gibraltarian, whose patriotism had been impugned?
v: who allowed his opponent to leave a message for Patterson beneath his silver cigarette case?
vi: whose performance against the three-handed marvel was described by the Princess as ‘unique’?
vii: who was killed by his father in single combat as the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream?
viii: whose second was accused of surreptitiously stabbing his opponent in Hyde Park?
ix: which cuckold was mortally wounded at Barn Elms on 16th January?
x: who fell to a frontal blow and then completely lost his head?

the rules as they have evolved:
a: give nice full answers and anecdotes where possible!
b: say if googled or not, and leave a bit of a while for people to answer non-googlingly
c: you're obviously allowed to look ahead at future questions as (first) this was published in a national newspaper and i can't stop you and (second) i can't stop ME either, and have done exactly this
d: as anatol suggests, other fora in same game are (unpoliceably) Out of Bounds till next set is up -- even tho obv they are all wronghead feebs compared to us

no google

Date: 2008-01-14 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
ii. Hamlet? Doesn't the ENTIRE CAST fall on the same poisoned blade at the end?

Re: no google

Date: 2008-01-14 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsgomiaow.livejournal.com
Yah it's Spamlet and Laertes innit!

Re: no google

Date: 2008-01-14 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsgomiaow.livejournal.com
(the king and queen are killed by the poisoned CUP)

Date: 2008-01-14 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
i think the connection is DUEL by propaganda.

Date: 2008-01-14 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
oops my pre-stab stab has vanished: i did get omlet but forgot layercaketease

the theme is duels obv -- i kinda doubt there's a sekrit meta -- and for me this is googlerich

my favourite duel is hamilton/burr viz:
oh burr burr wot have you DONE?
you haf shooted dead the grebt HAMILTON!
you hid behind a little thistle
and shot him DED w.1x HORSE PIZZLE PISTOL


but i don't think that's in this list (nor is evariste galois)

other famous duels/jousts

Date: 2008-01-14 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
i. lord cardigan (dad-inlaw = spencer horsey de horsey hurrah) fought several illegal ones
ii. king of france in henry viii's youth died in one when a splinter of a lance went thru his eyehole X(
iii. pushkin and lermontov as previously noted

Date: 2008-01-14 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anatol-merklich.livejournal.com
vii: Oxus is the ancient name for Amu Darya, running from the Pamir to near the Aral Sea, ie thickest Great Game territory -- if there is indeed a running Kipling theme, tmay be here?

Date: 2008-01-14 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
"near" the aral sea!? does it not have a mouth?

Date: 2008-01-14 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anatol-merklich.livejournal.com
Nope! Decades of great irrigation projects etc (mainly cotton in Uzbekistan) have diverted away so much water that what's left of it (and of the Syr Darya) just fizzles away into the ground before reaching the lake. It's quite the environmental catastrophe: lake dwindles away -> salt consentration soars -> fish dies ect ect. Old fishing boats now miles from the sea (http://unimaps.com/aral-sea/aral-pic.gif).

omg :0

Date: 2008-01-14 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
(this is why king wiki-lliam is AN GOOD THING btw -- you learn actual real important stuff along the way!)

Barn Elms

Date: 2008-01-14 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
This is my back yard (it's now where the London Wetlands Centre is), so ix. is the question that has piqued my interest. The answer is the 11th Earl of Shrewsbury. (I googled)

Full anecdote to follow.

Shrewsbury v Buckingham

Date: 2008-01-14 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
One of the great public sins of the Restoration was the double-adultery scandal case involving George Villiers, second Duke of Buckingham, and the Countess of Shrewsbury. When Villiers boldly set up rooms for his mistress in one of his residences, his wife, Mary Fairfax reportedly objected, to which Villiers was said to respond, “Why, Madam, I thought this not right, too, and so have sent a carriage for you, to take you back to your father's”.

Anna Maria, Countess of Shrewsbury – referred to in John Evelyn’s diary as “that impudent woman” – was the second wife of Francis Talbot, eleventh Earl of Shrewsbury, who died in March 1668 after a duel fought with Villiers the previous January.

Barn Elms manor was given by Athelstane to the Canons of St. Paul's, and is still held by them. The mansion of Barn Elms was formerly in the possession of Sir Francis Walsingham, and here in 1589 he entertained Queen Elizabeth. Pepys and Evelyn both make mention of this place in their diaries, and it was here that the duel was fought on January 16th, 1668. It was one of the most violent and closely reported of any duel of the century. That duel, along with Villiers's public adultery with Lady Shrewsbury and their baptism of a (short-lived) bastard son at Westminster Abbey, shook even Charles's court and led to Villiers's disgrace and downfall in 1674.

Some accounts assert that Lady Shrewsbury held Buckingham’s horse while the duel took place, “in the disguise of a page. For the credit of womanhood, it should however be added on the authority of Lady Burghclere’s careful and impartial study of Dryden’s very various ‘Zimri’ that, in 1674, Buckingham distinctly stated, when arraigned by his Peers, “that, at the time of the duel, the Countess was living in a ‘French monastery,’” and the statement was not controverted.” (Footnote in ‘The Diary of John Evelyn’)

Read more of the adventurous life and times of George Villiers here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Villiers%2C_2nd_Duke_of_Buckingham

Re: Shrewsbury v Buckingham

Date: 2008-01-14 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
go the shrews!

x.

Date: 2008-01-14 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
is this The Green Knight (as in Gawain vs.)?

ooh ooh!

Date: 2008-01-14 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
is v MORIARTY!!?

i don't recall an alias "patterson" but s.holmes did leave a note for watson and they had been travelling super-incognito

Date: 2008-01-15 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
i: "Eugene Onegin, a Russian dandy who is bored with life, inherits a country mansion from his uncle. When he moves to the country he strikes up an unlikely friendship with the minor poet Vladimir Lensky. One day Lensky takes Onegin to dine with the family of his fiancée Olga Larina. At this meeting Olga's bookish and countrified sister, Tatiana (Tanya), falls in love with Onegin... Later Lensky nonchalantly invites Onegin to Tatiana's nameday celebration promising a small celebration with just Tatiana, her sister, and parents. At the celebration Onegin finds a grandiose ball reminiscent of the fast-paced world he has grown tired of. To exact revenge on Lensky, Onegin proceeds to flirt and dance with Olga. Lensky leaves in a rage and in the morning issues a challenge of a duel to Onegin. At the duel Onegin kills Lensky, then flees... Lensky's second, Zaretsky, does not ask Onegin once if he would like to apologise, and because Onegin is not allowed to apologise on his own initiative, the duel takes place with the fatal consequences." Eugene Onegin is by PUSHKIN (see earlier question)
ii: hamlet and laertes
iii: "In the summer of 1843... the [Brecknock Arms] acquired considerable notoriety from a fatal duel which was fought there between Colonel Fawcett and Lieutenant Munro, in which the former was killed. The record of this duel possesses a twofold interest, from the fact of its being probably the last—certainly the last fatal one—that was ever fought in England, and also that the principal actors in it were not only brother officers, but also brothers-in-law—at all events, they had married two sisters. The origin of the quarrel was a hasty expression used by Colonel Fawcett respecting some family differences, which led his adversary, Lieutenant Munro, to send him a challenge. The duel came off early in the morning of Saturday, July 1, in a field in Maiden Lane (now Brecknock Road), adjoining the rifle-ground belonging to the "Brecknock." The colonel on being brought, dangerously wounded, to this inn, was refused admittance; so he was taken to the "Camden Arms," where he died on the following Monday. The coroner's jury on the inquest returned a verdict of wilful murder, not only against Lieutenant Munro, but against the seconds also. The latter, however, were acquitted, and Munro evaded the hands of justice by seeking refuge abroad; but four years afterwards he surrendered to take his trial at the Old Bailey. He was found guilty of wilful murder, and sentence of death was recorded against him. He was strongly recommended to mercy, and his sentence was afterwards commuted to twelve months' imprisonment.'
iv: From the poem "The Adventures of a Post Captain" by Alfred Thornton (1817): "The poem is a narrative satire about the naval success of a young, ambitious British officer during the Napoleonic Wars. It traces "Bowspirit's" career from midshipman to Post Captain, and finally to Rear Admiral. Though filled with farcical episodes and bawdy humor, the poem remains strongly patriotic and therefore nationalistic in tone. Bowspirit is not an object of derision, but meant to be read as a patriotic national hero. Thus, his various sexual and monetary intrigues are not judged as immoral, but rather seen as an important part of his heroic character.... Chapter Twelve: Shortly thereafter, Bowspirit is challenged to a duel by Don Rodrigo, brother to the spurned lover. On seeing Bowspirit's willingness and ardour to proceed with the duel, Rodrigo's second tries to come to a different solution, but to no avail. The two opponents meet on shore where Don Rodrigo fires first but faints dead away in fright. This so amuses Bowspirit that he fires into the ground and thus saves his cowardly opponent from an untimely death. Rodrigo vows fealty to the generous Bowspirit and they go aboard the ship and enjoy a nice supper together prior to the departure of the fleet." [problem -- Don Rodrigo is cross bcz hem hem Bowsprit SHAGGED HIS SISTER THEN UPPED ANCHOR AND LEFT HER... patriotism is a pretext at best!] [also this is pretty fkn obscure]

Date: 2008-01-15 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
v: OO YAY ME! "But it was destined that I should, after all, have a last word of greeting from my friend and comrade. I have said that his Alpine-stock had been left leaning against a rock which jutted on to the path. From the top of this boulder the gleam of something bright caught my eye, and raising my hand I found that it came from the silver cigarette-case which he used to carry. As I took it up a small square of paper upon which it had lain fluttered down on to the ground... "MY DEAR WATSON [it said]: blah blah explain explain hug hug kiss kiss Tell Inspector Patterson that the papers which he needs to convict the gang are in pigeonhole M., done up in a blue envelope and inscribed "Moriarty".... yr pal $HERLOCK HOLME$"
vi: [???] == unless the QI peeps haf a better idea

vii: from Sohrab and Rustum: An Episode (1853), by bloody Matthew Arnold
"For both the on-looking hosts on either hand
Stood in broad daylight, and the sky was pure,
And the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream...
[lots of blather edited out]
And, with a fearless mien, Sohrab replied: —
"Unknown thou art; yet thy fierce vaunt is vain.
Thou dost not slay me, proud and boastful man!
No! Rustum slays me, and this filial heart...
The mighty Rustum shall avenge my death!
My father, whom I seek through all the world,
He shall avenge my death, and punish thee!"
[blather blather blather]
As when some hunter in the spring hath found
A breeding eagle sitting on her nest [blath blath blath]
So Rustum knew not his own loss, but stood
Over his dying son, and knew him not." oof
at as the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream?

Date: 2008-01-15 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
viii: "The story of the duel between Lord Mohun and the Duke of Hamilton, which was fought here on the 15th of November, 1712, is thus told by Sir Bernard Burke, in his "Anecdotes of the Aristocracy: This sanguinary duel, originating in a political intrigue, was fought early one morning at the Ring, in Hyde Park, then the usual spot for settling these so-called affairs of honour. The duke and his second, Colonel Hamilton, of the Foot Guards, were the first in the field. Soon after, came Lord Mohun and his second, Major Macartney. No sooner had the second party reached the ground, than the duke, unable to conceal his feelings, turned sharply round on Major Macartney, and remarked, 'I am well assured, sir, that all this is by your contrivance, and therefore you shall have your share in the dance; my friend here, Colonel Hamilton, will entertain you.' 'I wish for no better partner,' replied Macartney; 'the colonel may command me.' Little more passed between them, and the fight began with infinite fury, each being too intent upon doing mischief to his opponent to look sufficiently to his own defence. Macartney had the misfortune to be speedily disarmed, though not before he had wounded his adversary in the right leg; but, luckily for him, at this very moment the attention of the colonel was drawn off to the condition of his friend, and, flinging both the swords to a distance, he hastened to his assistance. The combat, indeed, had been carried on between the principals with uncommon ferocity, the loud and angry clashing of the steel having called to the spot the few stragglers that were abroad in the Park at so early an hour. In a very short time the duke was wounded in both legs, which he returned with interest, piercing his antagonist in the groin, through the arm, and in sundry other parts of his body. The blood flowed freely on both sides, their swords, their faces, and even the grass about them, being reddened with it; but rage lent them that almost supernatural strength which is so often seen in madmen. If they had thought little enough before of attending to their self-defence, they now seemed to have abandoned the idea altogether. Each at the same time made a desperate lunge at the other; the duke's weapon passed right through his adversary, up to the very hilt; and the latter, shortening his sword, plunged it into the upper part of the duke's left breast, the wound running downwards into his body, when his grace fell upon him. It was now that the colonel came to his aid, and raised him in his arms. Such a blow, it is probable, would have been fatal of itself; but Macartney had by this time picked up one of the swords, and stabbing the duke to the heart over Hamilton's shoulder, immediately fled, and made his escape to Holland. Such, at least, was the tale of the day, widely disseminated and generally believed by one party, although it was no less strenuously denied by the other. Proclamations were issued, and rewards offered, to an unusual amount, for the apprehension of the murderer, the affair assuming all the interest of a public question. Nay, it was roundly asserted by the Tories, that the Whig faction had gone so far as to place hired assassins about the Park to make sure of their victim, if he had escaped the open ferocity of Lord Mohun, or the yet more perilous treachery of Macartney... When the duke fell, the spectators of this bloody tragedy, who do not appear to have interfered in any shape, then came forward to bear him to the Cake-House, that a surgeon might be called in, and his wounds looked to; but the blow had been struck too home; before they could raise him from the grass, he expired.
ix: 11th Earl of Shrewsbury [see Jeff's full story]
x: [???] still not ascertained -- Green Knight possibly?

Date: 2008-01-15 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anatol-merklich.livejournal.com
Have now espied on other gamers (oh wait! it appears what now has been posted there may be the actual ANSWERS! I'm not looking ahead of course; tell me if I shouldn't use this for yesterquestions either in what's left, eg for future googlement and sudden ideas). Comments and fillins:

ii. also Claudius the king; only queen Gertrude dies from wine.

iv. [also this is pretty fkn obscure]
Heh it appears because = wrong (good find though!). WP:
George Tierney (20 March 1761 – 25 January 1830) was an English Whig politician, was born at Gibraltar. [...] When [Charles James] Fox seceded from the House of Commons, Tierney became a prominent opponent of [William] Pitt [the Younger]'s policy. In May 1798, Pitt accused him of want of patriotism. A duel ensued at Putney Heath on Sunday, 27 May 1798; but neither combatant was injured.

vi. From an Amazon CD review:
"The greatest interest... will be without question the simultaneous appearance of two talents whose rivalry at this time agitates the musical world, and is like the indecisive balance between Rome and Carthage. Messrs. [Franz] Liszt and [Sigismond] Thalberg will take turns at the piano" - an advertisement in the Gazette Musicale on March 26, 1837.

The famous duel between Liszt and Thalberg, or "Rome" and "Carthage," has spawned legendary anecdotes and quotations about the two pianist-composers. Not all of it is true, and the famous Liszt biographer, Alan Walker, sheds light on the truth of the matter: "There is nothing here to suggest that Liszt saw in Thalberg a rival. Least of all did he 'rush back to Paris, nostrils dilated, to defend his crown,' as one modern journalist has put it." But when Liszt's mistress, Marie d'Agoult, used his name to write disparaging remarks about Thalberg's music, a war of the press began, sides were drawn, and a "battle" between the two pianists was inevitable. Thalberg and Liszt performed their own recitals in Paris, both taking advantage of the Parisian fervor, and eventually collided in a musical duel under Princess Belgiojoso's roof.


It remains to decide which of the two was the opponent of the "three-handed marvel" and thus the answer though. QI has Thalberg as the answer; otoh WP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismond_Thalberg) gives a music example illustrating Thalberg's apparently famous "three-hand effect", which points to Liszt.

x. DOH this is actually really easy (well at least utterly well-known) I see now -- "frontal" comes from "frons" = "forehead", it is obv Goliath!

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