wiki-illiam q7!
Jan. 14th, 2008 11:37 ami: for whom did Zaretski act as second?
ii: which contestants were slain with the same envenomed point?
iii: who died in the Brecknock Arms following a duel with his brother in law?
iv: who was challenged to a duel by a Gibraltarian, whose patriotism had been impugned?
v: who allowed his opponent to leave a message for Patterson beneath his silver cigarette case?
vi: whose performance against the three-handed marvel was described by the Princess as ‘unique’?
vii: who was killed by his father in single combat as the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream?
viii: whose second was accused of surreptitiously stabbing his opponent in Hyde Park?
ix: which cuckold was mortally wounded at Barn Elms on 16th January?
x: who fell to a frontal blow and then completely lost his head?
the rules as they have evolved:
a: give nice full answers and anecdotes where possible!
b: say if googled or not, and leave a bit of a while for people to answer non-googlingly
c: you're obviously allowed to look ahead at future questions as (first) this was published in a national newspaper and i can't stop you and (second) i can't stop ME either, and have done exactly this
d: as anatol suggests, other fora in same game are (unpoliceably) Out of Bounds till next set is up -- even tho obv they are all wronghead feebs compared to us
ii: which contestants were slain with the same envenomed point?
iii: who died in the Brecknock Arms following a duel with his brother in law?
iv: who was challenged to a duel by a Gibraltarian, whose patriotism had been impugned?
v: who allowed his opponent to leave a message for Patterson beneath his silver cigarette case?
vi: whose performance against the three-handed marvel was described by the Princess as ‘unique’?
vii: who was killed by his father in single combat as the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream?
viii: whose second was accused of surreptitiously stabbing his opponent in Hyde Park?
ix: which cuckold was mortally wounded at Barn Elms on 16th January?
x: who fell to a frontal blow and then completely lost his head?
the rules as they have evolved:
a: give nice full answers and anecdotes where possible!
b: say if googled or not, and leave a bit of a while for people to answer non-googlingly
c: you're obviously allowed to look ahead at future questions as (first) this was published in a national newspaper and i can't stop you and (second) i can't stop ME either, and have done exactly this
d: as anatol suggests, other fora in same game are (unpoliceably) Out of Bounds till next set is up -- even tho obv they are all wronghead feebs compared to us
no google
Date: 2008-01-14 11:57 am (UTC)Re: no google
Date: 2008-01-14 11:58 am (UTC)Re: no google
Date: 2008-01-14 12:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-14 11:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-14 12:08 pm (UTC)caketeasethe theme is duels obv -- i kinda doubt there's a sekrit meta -- and for me this is googlerich
my favourite duel is hamilton/burr viz:
oh burr burr wot have you DONE?
you haf shooted dead the grebt HAMILTON!
you hid behind a little thistle
and shot him DED w.1x HORSE
PIZZLEPISTOLbut i don't think that's in this list (nor is evariste galois)
other famous duels/jousts
Date: 2008-01-14 12:28 pm (UTC)ii. king of france in henry viii's youth died in one when a splinter of a lance went thru his eyehole X(
iii. pushkin and lermontov as previously noted
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Date: 2008-01-14 12:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-14 12:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-01-14 01:19 pm (UTC)omg :0
Date: 2008-01-14 01:22 pm (UTC)Barn Elms
Date: 2008-01-14 02:15 pm (UTC)Full anecdote to follow.
Shrewsbury v Buckingham
Date: 2008-01-14 02:17 pm (UTC)Anna Maria, Countess of Shrewsbury – referred to in John Evelyn’s diary as “that impudent woman” – was the second wife of Francis Talbot, eleventh Earl of Shrewsbury, who died in March 1668 after a duel fought with Villiers the previous January.
Barn Elms manor was given by Athelstane to the Canons of St. Paul's, and is still held by them. The mansion of Barn Elms was formerly in the possession of Sir Francis Walsingham, and here in 1589 he entertained Queen Elizabeth. Pepys and Evelyn both make mention of this place in their diaries, and it was here that the duel was fought on January 16th, 1668. It was one of the most violent and closely reported of any duel of the century. That duel, along with Villiers's public adultery with Lady Shrewsbury and their baptism of a (short-lived) bastard son at Westminster Abbey, shook even Charles's court and led to Villiers's disgrace and downfall in 1674.
Some accounts assert that Lady Shrewsbury held Buckingham’s horse while the duel took place, “in the disguise of a page. For the credit of womanhood, it should however be added on the authority of Lady Burghclere’s careful and impartial study of Dryden’s very various ‘Zimri’ that, in 1674, Buckingham distinctly stated, when arraigned by his Peers, “that, at the time of the duel, the Countess was living in a ‘French monastery,’” and the statement was not controverted.” (Footnote in ‘The Diary of John Evelyn’)
Read more of the adventurous life and times of George Villiers here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Villiers%2C_2nd_Duke_of_Buckingham
Re: Shrewsbury v Buckingham
Date: 2008-01-14 02:32 pm (UTC)x.
Date: 2008-01-14 03:26 pm (UTC)ooh ooh!
Date: 2008-01-14 03:30 pm (UTC)i don't recall an alias "patterson" but s.holmes did leave a note for watson and they had been travelling super-incognito
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Date: 2008-01-15 05:06 pm (UTC)ii: hamlet and laertes
iii: "In the summer of 1843... the [Brecknock Arms] acquired considerable notoriety from a fatal duel which was fought there between Colonel Fawcett and Lieutenant Munro, in which the former was killed. The record of this duel possesses a twofold interest, from the fact of its being probably the last—certainly the last fatal one—that was ever fought in England, and also that the principal actors in it were not only brother officers, but also brothers-in-law—at all events, they had married two sisters. The origin of the quarrel was a hasty expression used by Colonel Fawcett respecting some family differences, which led his adversary, Lieutenant Munro, to send him a challenge. The duel came off early in the morning of Saturday, July 1, in a field in Maiden Lane (now Brecknock Road), adjoining the rifle-ground belonging to the "Brecknock." The colonel on being brought, dangerously wounded, to this inn, was refused admittance; so he was taken to the "Camden Arms," where he died on the following Monday. The coroner's jury on the inquest returned a verdict of wilful murder, not only against Lieutenant Munro, but against the seconds also. The latter, however, were acquitted, and Munro evaded the hands of justice by seeking refuge abroad; but four years afterwards he surrendered to take his trial at the Old Bailey. He was found guilty of wilful murder, and sentence of death was recorded against him. He was strongly recommended to mercy, and his sentence was afterwards commuted to twelve months' imprisonment.'
iv: From the poem "The Adventures of a Post Captain" by Alfred Thornton (1817): "The poem is a narrative satire about the naval success of a young, ambitious British officer during the Napoleonic Wars. It traces "Bowspirit's" career from midshipman to Post Captain, and finally to Rear Admiral. Though filled with farcical episodes and bawdy humor, the poem remains strongly patriotic and therefore nationalistic in tone. Bowspirit is not an object of derision, but meant to be read as a patriotic national hero. Thus, his various sexual and monetary intrigues are not judged as immoral, but rather seen as an important part of his heroic character.... Chapter Twelve: Shortly thereafter, Bowspirit is challenged to a duel by Don Rodrigo, brother to the spurned lover. On seeing Bowspirit's willingness and ardour to proceed with the duel, Rodrigo's second tries to come to a different solution, but to no avail. The two opponents meet on shore where Don Rodrigo fires first but faints dead away in fright. This so amuses Bowspirit that he fires into the ground and thus saves his cowardly opponent from an untimely death. Rodrigo vows fealty to the generous Bowspirit and they go aboard the ship and enjoy a nice supper together prior to the departure of the fleet." [problem -- Don Rodrigo is cross bcz hem hem Bowsprit SHAGGED HIS SISTER THEN UPPED ANCHOR AND LEFT HER... patriotism is a pretext at best!] [also this is pretty fkn obscure]
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Date: 2008-01-15 05:06 pm (UTC)vi: [???] == unless the QI peeps haf a better idea
vii: from Sohrab and Rustum: An Episode (1853), by bloody Matthew Arnold
"For both the on-looking hosts on either hand
Stood in broad daylight, and the sky was pure,
And the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream...
[lots of blather edited out]
And, with a fearless mien, Sohrab replied: —
"Unknown thou art; yet thy fierce vaunt is vain.
Thou dost not slay me, proud and boastful man!
No! Rustum slays me, and this filial heart...
The mighty Rustum shall avenge my death!
My father, whom I seek through all the world,
He shall avenge my death, and punish thee!"
[blather blather blather]
As when some hunter in the spring hath found
A breeding eagle sitting on her nest [blath blath blath]
So Rustum knew not his own loss, but stood
Over his dying son, and knew him not." oof
at as the sun sparkled on the Oxus stream?
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Date: 2008-01-15 05:07 pm (UTC)ix: 11th Earl of Shrewsbury [see Jeff's full story]
x: [???] still not ascertained -- Green Knight possibly?
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Date: 2008-01-15 07:18 pm (UTC)ii. also Claudius the king; only queen Gertrude dies from wine.
iv. [also this is pretty fkn obscure]
Heh it appears because = wrong (good find though!). WP:
George Tierney (20 March 1761 – 25 January 1830) was an English Whig politician, was born at Gibraltar. [...] When [Charles James] Fox seceded from the House of Commons, Tierney became a prominent opponent of [William] Pitt [the Younger]'s policy. In May 1798, Pitt accused him of want of patriotism. A duel ensued at Putney Heath on Sunday, 27 May 1798; but neither combatant was injured.
vi. From an Amazon CD review:
"The greatest interest... will be without question the simultaneous appearance of two talents whose rivalry at this time agitates the musical world, and is like the indecisive balance between Rome and Carthage. Messrs. [Franz] Liszt and [Sigismond] Thalberg will take turns at the piano" - an advertisement in the Gazette Musicale on March 26, 1837.
The famous duel between Liszt and Thalberg, or "Rome" and "Carthage," has spawned legendary anecdotes and quotations about the two pianist-composers. Not all of it is true, and the famous Liszt biographer, Alan Walker, sheds light on the truth of the matter: "There is nothing here to suggest that Liszt saw in Thalberg a rival. Least of all did he 'rush back to Paris, nostrils dilated, to defend his crown,' as one modern journalist has put it." But when Liszt's mistress, Marie d'Agoult, used his name to write disparaging remarks about Thalberg's music, a war of the press began, sides were drawn, and a "battle" between the two pianists was inevitable. Thalberg and Liszt performed their own recitals in Paris, both taking advantage of the Parisian fervor, and eventually collided in a musical duel under Princess Belgiojoso's roof.
It remains to decide which of the two was the opponent of the "three-handed marvel" and thus the answer though. QI has Thalberg as the answer; otoh WP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismond_Thalberg) gives a music example illustrating Thalberg's apparently famous "three-hand effect", which points to Liszt.
x. DOH this is actually really easy (well at least utterly well-known) I see now -- "frontal" comes from "frons" = "forehead", it is obv Goliath!